brawl in Detroit

[bigdaddysmak]

Anyone else see this? I'm just surprised it went as far and as long as it did.......

Cant wait to see the suspension and charges filed........

[chinarain62]

Oh you mean the basketball game brawl?

Unbelieveable.

[macca]

I want to know what will happen to the SOB who threw the water. Some of these idiots who go to games think they have carte blanche on doing whatever they want to do.

[Zebra fan 77]

Macca I agree with you as the fans enticed that fight and got what was coming to them.

[macca]

Unfortunately, according to an article on MSN"s page.......the league is more worried(and mortified) by the reaction of the players. Some will be suspended for an indefinite period.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3179442

[CarlW53]

I thought the rapper/ball player was so tired from cutting his album that he needed a month off from NBA. I guess he wasnt too tired to try to fight 16,000 people.

[imarocker]

some fans DO need their asses kicked tho...

[macca]

Some of the fans(and players) need their a$$es kicked. I'm really surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier.....and on a bigger scale.

Before we had our minor league hockey team(dissolved a few years ago), they were worried that the fans here wouldn't understand the physical nature of hockey(especially checking) and a mass riot would break out.

Back in the '80's or 90's, my uncle went to Boston Garden for a Celtics game and came back with LOTS to talk about. He told me: you think the fans here are abusive towards the players, you should go up there and watch a few games.

Something needs to be done...especially on the fan 'participation" end of things. Just because you buy a ticket(or just go), that don't give you the right to play the fool and cause a fight.

[imarocker]

i agree and its getting worse....
When i was a kid i worked for the Long Island Ducks minor League team (Commack Arena) and the shit that went on was unbelievable

[earl]

You can take some people out of the projects,but you can't take the project out of them

[Sgt.Pepper]

Earl,
You know good damn and well that "people" is not the noun used in that saying. LOL, we're just too politicially correct these days.

Hopefully, justice will prevail and the guilty fans and players will get their just do.

Just because you can afford a $250 sporting event ticket, does not entitle you to call some a ...... "people" (note comment above).

[imarocker]

cut that racist BS out now...i expect it from some but not you Pepper.
While i fully agree that there has been some stupid crap from some races, its not a race thing when you look over the last 25 yrs of sports and music. Its a stupid PEOPLE thing.
The Rap awards the other night was a frightful reminder of Montery....Dont ever Forget that...

[OU812]

I would put at least 2 of them out for the whole year.
time to make an example

[bigdaddysmak]

One needs to remember that Artest is the latest "problem child" of the NBA. He didnt get what he wanted when he was "so tired" from being a rapper, so he was just a fuse waiting to be lit.

As far as the fans, as much as they have the right to heckle , to toss something at a player with the intent to cause harm is inexusable. However , if a player cant take the heckling, he needs to change careers. Its part of the game.

Lets also keep in mind that Artest and jones both attacked fans without provacation in the melee. The video tape clearly shows that.

[imarocker]

post removed due to my lack of interest

[bigdaddysmak]

Whos perfect? Not me thats for sure.

Just so you know, just becayse I live in the South, that does not make me a racist. I take offense to that remark. Racism knows no boundries. As many times as I have visited Michigan to see family there, I have seen in the Northern , Eastern, and Western states as well. From San Diego (where I'm originally from if you must know) to Washington DC, it's there......not just in the South.

I stated what I saw in the video. To recap, Artest flagrantly fouls Wallace. The two of them shove , push, yell, scream, etc. While Artest is away from the fracas, some fool tosses a cup of ice at him . Artest and Jones jump in the stands and start pummeling people. Artest then goes back to the floor and swings at anyone in his path. Fans and the palyers involved, mostly Pacers, are in the wrong.

If theres a racist comment in there, let me know.

[bigdaddysmak]

i hate typing long posts.............

BTW Rocker....yer still my hero!

[imarocker]

Racism is wrong no matter where its from...

[bigdaddysmak]

My point exactly.........

[macca]

I still can't believe the comment the idiot made after the fracas: Well, I followed my friend onto the court......That moron is lucky he just got punched. Pete Townshend hit Abbie Hoffman with his guitar when he walked on stage. Remember this: At a concert, the stage is the artist's "office". Sports --- the field, court, ice, etc. is their office. You deserve anything that comes your way when you tresspass. I just wish the NBA would take the blinders off and realize that more than the players are to blame for this mess.

[imarocker]

well Thank God we can watch a nice non violent game like football...lmaoo

[macca]

Or.....I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out!:D

[earl]

Originally posted by OU812
I would put at least 2 of them out for the whole year.
time to make an example

I say they should still play but for FREE!

[earl]

Originally posted by imarocker
Racism is wrong no matter where its from...

Have you ever been to New Orleans?The Races are quite different here than up North.

[imarocker]

and why would that be?

[macca]

Well.....now WE are the minority. The city is about 85-15 and the blacks WANT IT ALL. We finally have a business man for a mayor(who is black) and they hate him cause he won't "play the game". Maybe one day...before I die, I'll see the city run other than business as usual or the "good ole boy politics.

[imarocker]

Originally posted by earl


Have you ever been to New Orleans?The Races are quite different here than up North.

1st off earl that is because you allow it. Do you not have a voice other than screaming nigger? Coz thatll get you killed.why would i have to go to NO to see racism.? that makes no damn sense to me, i live in NY ive seen it all. But what you posted was wrong no matter what way you look at it. There isnt a choice in right and wrong unless you choose to be part of the problem.
You are part of the problem with your racism/ dont even debate me ok?You are outa line, with that black stuff. Ny has Everyone. there are pits of trash, white,black or whatever,,,,its a part of life that we'd all like to change, poor people migrate to poor states, so im goinf to Guess that LA is poor...well you voted that way, you chose bush even tho he doesnt give a freaking damn about the south, he wanted the North Business....Guees what now you are both ****ed.
AS long as you are a racist Earl i will continue to debate you...and believe me i wont shut up on equal rights EVER

[imarocker]

Originally posted by macca
Well.....now WE are the minority. The city is about 85-15 and the blacks WANT IT ALL. We finally have a business man for a mayor(who is black) and they hate him cause he won't "play the game". Maybe one day...before I die, I'll see the city run other than business as usual or the "good ole boy politics.

once again failures by your voting praticeses and bad management by your local govt....Are you afraid of being the minoirity? It damn sure sounds like it...Guess what welcome to the world...This Is life and everybody has a right to be alive in any damn state they want to be..if you are that damn scared of
blacks i suggest you move to Canada or somewhere where you can deal with this fear, like a space capscule
you people are archaic at times it flips me out..I mean damn Lincoln freed the slaves when the hell are you all going to wake up?Its 2004 not 1774
If the city is run by business you voted gor Bush, you poor southern bastards just dont know what is right....And im not for aor agasinst Bush but when i saw the breakdown of how you all voted i said to a friend, no wonder they are in the dark, He wants it that way,,,,,No Republican is going to rebuild your state you morons...NONE
Its fairly simple now, stay in the dark, bitch about blacks and hide your heads.......Bama LA, and MISS will stay insanely poor...nice job.

[macca]

The hammer has fallen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3182714


Only thing missing is the judicial side of the verdict. Maybe that convict Artest will see jail time too(along with some of the fans). Naturally, he's bitching about his suspension. Tough....he's no choir boy and if you do something stupid, you pay the price. With his past skirmishes along with this one...he should be BANNED from the league. Maybe then these hoodlums will realize they can't hide behind their "jobs" for special treatment.

[bigdaddysmak]

As far as I see it, Artest wanted the time off to promote his rap career. He got it. Shut up.

Now some players and player reps are saying the fines are too excessive. Hey, even tho the fans were wayyy out of line, the players are expected to uphold a code of professionalism. They failed miserablly to do that.

Clemson and South Carolina did the same damn thing on Saturday, but luckily no fans were involved. Punish those guys too.........

Pro atheletes should be held accountable for their actions.....no matter what.

[macca]

Just got finished watching Sportscenter.....INCREDIBLE! Artest is either mentally deficient, or a certified basket case. "I'm a man and I can do whatever I want WHEN I want". Get a clue.....it is basketball season.......THAT IS YOUR JOB. Do your rap album/promotion in the off-season. Its very apparant he doesn't respect authority. Maybe he needs some quality time in a maximum security prison for a long spell.

The players association is crying foul(as usual). They should meet with defense lawyers and compare notes on how to be slimeballs. If these fines/suspensions are modified, you are seeing the end of the NBA. They've already priced themselves out of many people's pocket, and now they're condoning brutality no matter what the circumstance. True, the players were provoked BUT......the players are "professional" and sober. They have a reputation to uphold. This gang just isn't doing it.

And just think....this is what they want our children to model themselves after.........

[bigdaddysmak]

Not my kids................

I think the NBA greats are probablly rolling their eyes to the heavens.................

[macca]

Originally posted by bigdaddysmak
Not my kids................

I think the NBA greats are probablly rolling their eyes to the heavens.................

No doubt. I long for the days when the sport was a TEAM game and not showtime. Cousy, Maravich, Baylor, Wilt, Russell(and the other greats), I'll take these guys over the clowns now ANY DAY.

[Sgt.Pepper]

Check this article out.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3184324
or
www.msn.foxsports.com/story/3184324

[CarlW53]

Heres my take;

Why was Artest, who is a walking time bomb, still in the game with less than a minute left and 15 points ahead. Coaching failure.

The season ticket holders that had courtside seats had already left and the drunks from the cheap seats had found their way down to courtside where the crap came from.

The Pacers are pretty much gutted for the rest of the season.

The guy that Artest went after in the stands was not the one who threw crap at him. His reaction was, "oh look a player is coming up in the stands to get someone, damn hes coming this way and Im gonna get to watch, crap hes coming after me"

Too bad that player slipped when he went to cold **** that ass on the court or else they would still be peeling his face off of the score board.

[imarocker]

Why was Artest, who is a walking time bomb, still in the game with less than a minute left and 15 points ahead. Coaching failure.


He gets PAID to be there thats why....If he cant control himself he will get punished as he did...
Still...Fans should get the same sentences...you cant keep letting the fans off the hook....if they arent involved NOTHING happens but 2 teams bitching at each other. Its time for every league to step up and enforce ALL rules....
I really think the season is way too harsh no matter how nutty he is...

[bigdaddysmak]

I thought the game was close in the final minutes. Therefore , he would have been in the game. It wasnt a blowout for sure.

Artest has a long history of suspensions and anger issues. Either put him on medication or get him out of the league.......

[CarlW53]

15 points with less than a minute left, the game was pretty much over.

I wouldnt call the people who were throwing crap and going down on the court to get in a fight a "fan" Thats what I call a Jack Ass.

But with the Brawl in Detroit going on, no one hardly noticed that bench clearing, brawl for all between Clemson and South Carolina on saturday. Or the pregame brawl between Pittsburgh and Cleveland the sunday before.

I think someone owes Vince Mcmahon some royalties cause the WWE couldnt put on a show this good.

[bigdaddysmak]

I saw that one too. One player even said it was no different than what happened in Detroit.

Artest was on the Today show this AM. Very smug. Had plenty of sniles and hype for his new CD tho..........and he SMILED as he watched the video of the fighting..........

[GuitarPLYR]

Judging by the interview on the Today Show, Artest is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[macca]

Still say he needs some tough love in a maximum security prison. Lets see if he still smiles after 23 hours of lockdown every day.

[bigdaddysmak]

The county DA up there says charges may be filed against him.

[macca]

The party has just started. Numerous people are suing both the players and the Pacers, Players Association is filing a protest against Stern. The county is asking for help in identifying the moron who threw the chair into the crowd.

Punish the parties involved(make the suspensions stick!, prosecute the rabblerousers in the crowd), increase security at the arenas. Worse case scenario....put a cage around the court like they did back in the '30's. Something needs to be done. "Fans" are too accessible to the players. I'm surprised something this bad hadn't happened before.

[imarocker]

put the glass up like in Hockey...

[imarocker]

in fact put the glass and the boards up and let them check each other also...lol....man that would be funny....

[macca]

Film at 11!!:D

[CarlW53]

Back in the early days of bball there was a rope cage between the players and the fans. Hence the term "cagers" was tacked on to basketball players.

De-evolution.

[imarocker]

ok lets make them skate and Hit, lets see a 7 foot monster dunk then, Dunking is the stupidest way to score. make that basket 15 foot and lets see who is really talented,
They dont play hockey with open nets,
Theres pitchers in baseball
and Football Dares you to score.....
that sport needs a re vamp bad anyways, its so damn boring...

[macca]

It has gotten boring because it's no longer a team sport, its a "me" sport now. They SHOULD raise the rim to at least 12 feet(15 sounds great!). Shoot.....guys 5'5" are dunking the ball!

[GuitarPLYR]

Originally posted by macca
Shoot.....guys 5'5" are dunking the ball!

Spud Webb!!!!!!!!!!! Now HE was very entertaining to watch!!! It was nice to see the "little guy" put it to the big boys!

[bigdaddysmak]

Hockey RULES!!!!!!!!!!

[macca]

Shame those idiots are on strike!

[bigdaddysmak]

I know............I was looking foward to the Red Wings and seeing if MArio had another year left or not.......

[CarlW53]

NHL is not on strike. The owners have them locked out. Totally different concept.

[macca]

translation.....greedy a$$holes on both sides. Players want too much, owners have their hands out crying about no money. Welcome to sports today.

[imarocker]

i think the owners are more in the wrong but that doesnt matter i guess.....it ****s, thats my favorite sport...
Tonight the MSG network is re-airing the Rangers Win in Double OT in game 6 of the 1994 playoffs that led to the Stanley Cup.....i guess that will have to do for now....

[imarocker]

my mistake, this is the game where Messier said they would win and scored a hat trick...

May 25, 1994, RANGERS vs. DEVILS New York trailed New Jersey three games to two in the Eastern Conference finals, with Game 6 the next day at the Meadowlands, but Rangers captain Mark Messier declared of that match, "We will win it." Then he backed up those words with deeds. After New York trailed 2-0, Messier assisted on a goal in the second period and scored a hat trick in the third to lead the Rangers to a 4-2 victory. New York went ...

[macca]

Lets watch high school sports.....at least they'll play their heart out for ya.....and NOT worry about the money(well......that is until the slimeball agents and other vermin start creeping in).

[imarocker]

nope, i had fun re-living it tonight....i refuse to become that crass that i give up.....i can certainly air my displeasure to the NHL...

[bigdaddysmak]

That was a great game!

I'd like to see the numerous overtime game when the Panthers were in the Cup finals. Remember when they were tossing the rubber rats on the ice.......LMAO!

[imarocker]

yep, and they got banned for it,,,lmaoo

[bigdaddysmak]

Pat do you remember what year that was and how many OT's that game went? I want to say 6 but I'm not sure.........