lets play politics! (:

[GreggFromJoisey]

Who has / hasn't served in the military.....
Democrats:
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971
as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star
with Combat V Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze
Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam,
Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea

Republicans:
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
**** Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (in four).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Duke Cunningham: nominated for Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Silver
Stars, Air Medals, Purple Hearts.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits & Preachers
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a "pylinoidal cyst")
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.

[BassHasOldSoul]

I say A TTI CA ...........A TTI CA ...................A TTI CA

[bigdaddysmak]

Hmmm..very interesting...........

[Delirious Nomad]

...and your point is.........

I suggest you let this thread die.
Too many differing opinions on here.
You're only asking for trouble.

[pale rider]

Originally posted by Delirious Nomad
...and your point is.........

I suggest you let this thread die.
Too many differing opinions on here.
You're only asking for trouble.


Good Idea!

[love2sing]

I agree!! It will just flip-flop on all involved! And I hate when it flip-flops!

[mark]

Serve. Does that mean all these guys play tennis??

[love2sing]

No! They just have balls!

[yleekiyote]

Originally posted by love2sing
No! They just have balls!

........on the flip side.........some don't <Rim Shot>
(I'm outta here, don't forget to tip your waitresses)

[mark]

Fuzzy ones!


Originally posted by love2sing
No! They just have balls!

[GuitarPLYR]

Originally posted by Oldiesfangc
Who has / hasn't served in the military.....
Democrats:
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.

Republicans:
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies


Probably our worst and best presidents in recent history. What are you saying, stay out of the military?

This is absolutely pointless.

[GreggFromJoisey]

me personally, I vote for person NOT party.
I say if you're gonna crucify someone who has served, you better put your cards on the table about IF AND WHEN you served. And we all know who I mean. wink wink

[mark]

No I dont???? Does that mean all politicians have fuzzy balls????

[love2sing]

Let's play politics! I give you my vote, you ***** me! Sounds almost like marriage!

[mark]

While doing my taxes once I asked my sister, 'Should I give a dollar to the Gubernatorial Campaign fund?'

Now the name is just plain silly itself. Sounds like the guy from Mayberry RFD running for President /or/ how about a fund to help stamp out flying mucous during football strikes like the one that hung off of Mark Gastenau's after he crossed the pick it line in the last football strike.

But my sister replied "ah, what the hell! You might as well give it to them. If you don't, there gonna find a way to rip it off from you!'




Originally posted by love2sing
Let's play politics! I give you my vote, you ***** me! Sounds almost like marriage!

[Delirious Nomad]

Originally posted by Oldiesfangc
me personally, I vote for person NOT party.
I say if you're gonna crucify someone who has served, you better put your cards on the table about IF AND WHEN you served. And we all know who I mean. wink wink

Nope.
Don't know what you mean.
Please elaborate.....if you can.

[GreggFromJoisey]

I'll just say it'll be a hell a burton of an election!

[Delirious Nomad]

You made an assertion:
"if you're gonna crucify someone who has served, you better put your cards on the table about IF AND WHEN you served. And we all know who I mean."

I'm still looking for an answer along with any evidence to support it.....again.....if you can.

[GreggFromJoisey]

I believe the answer is obvious, with all due respect.
Kerry served
Bush had a spoon up his nose and avoided the service

So, it comes down to , who can we trust. MY mind is made up.
(:

[GuitarPLYR]

What does military service have to do with being qualified for being President of the United States?

...just wondering what the point is....

[love2sing]

I thought we already established there is no point to politics!

[GuitarPLYR]

Originally posted by love2sing
I thought we already established there in no point to politics!

I agree with that statement 100%

[GreggFromJoisey]

you're right you dont need to be in military to do well in politics but in politics (and life) if you live in a glass house, dont throw that f*ing stone and I say that with a smile, not trying to ruffle any feathers

[mark]

OHHH THERE IS ONE POINT TO POLITICS. TO REAP YOUR WALLET!




Originally posted by love2sing
I thought we already established there is no point to politics!

[Delirious Nomad]

Originally posted by Oldiesfangc
I believe the answer is obvious, with all due respect.
Kerry served
Bush had a spoon up his nose and avoided the service

So, it comes down to , who can we trust. MY mind is made up.
(:

Well....to those of us that pay close attention, it is NOT obvious.

You said: "if you're gonna crucify someone who has served, you better put your cards on the table about IF AND WHEN you served. And we all know who I mean."

Are we supposed to assume that Bush and/or Cheney has "crucified" Kerry's service?
All I am asking is for you to let us know what Bush/Cheney said that makes you think this......or can you not back up your assertions with the facts?

If you want to talk about "trust" in a candidate, I am ready to debate and loaded for bear.

Again I'll say that politics should stay off the board. It doesn't do anyone any good. There are too many differing opinions here.

That being said, if someone brings it up, I will ferociously defend my position and debate the facts all day long.

...but that's just my opinion.
:)

[GreggFromJoisey]

Mark, Bush/Cheney is stuck in 1968. OK maybe Kerry didnt lose an arm or a leg. Stop challenging his medals "Old pork chop ass" as Don Imus calls ****less Cheney. Cheney or Bush wasnt in Vietnam. How can they judge if the medals were justified or not???Face it, he's not on planet Earth 2004 as far as we know it.

I say make the race about 2004 and beyond. Not 1968.

[Delirious Nomad]

So what is it that Bush/Cheney has said about Kerry in 1968?
You must have some evidence to back this up, I assume?

You talk as if Bush/Cheney has challenged Kerry's medals.
All I ask is that you provide evidence to back up your accusations.

Please let me know when you find it.
I'll be patiently waiting.

[GreggFromJoisey]

Its called "the nightly news" watch it please

[Delirious Nomad]

Nice try.

The "nightly news" is a news cast....not an example of Cheney challenging Kerry's medals, which you have accused him of.

Please, oh please, give me ANY example of Cheney challenging Kerry's medals. Just one comment, just one sentence, ........

I'm still waiting.
:)

[imarocker]

i think ill go to the Vote FOr Change Tour show at NJ oct 13th...

[GreggFromJoisey]

Nomad, I appreciate you searching for facts. I'm not Dan Rather, I dont make stories up. Lets just say these subjects will come in in the debates. I'm tired of the mudslinging too, but its not over yet.

[mark]

WWW.JIBJAB.COM

[Delirious Nomad]

I say that you are either making the story up, or you have been given bad information.

**** Cheney has never made any derogatory remarks regarding Kerry's medals and/or his service. In fact, to the contrary, Cheney has always given Kerry credit and admired his service. It is Kerry's voting record in the Senate that Cheney has been speaking about.

:)

[GuitarPLYR]

Originally posted by mark
WWW.JIBJAB.COM

That was f'n HILARIOUS!!!!!!!
:D

[BassHasOldSoul]

Its ok everyone I have just been informed immigrants cant run for president.... so all members of nevelrand ranch will never see the oval office.

[GreggFromJoisey]

mark, thanks for lightening things up with the jibjab!

[EVHFV]

Originally posted by Delirious Nomad


Nope.
Don't know what you mean.
Please elaborate.....if you can.

Man, I saw this thread and HAD to answer on it. Makes me think of that Iron Maiden song "Deja Vu". "Feel like I've been here before". DN, you knew perfectly well what he meant. I don't know why you like to play this game, but you do. I personally don't mind politics on this or any board. It's people's opinions, end of story. If someone doesn't like the opinion, they can just pass on and not respond. Or, they can respond just the same. Anything anyone reads here won't sway their decision. If they're still an undecided voter, I seriously doubt anything they read here will solidify anything either way for them. And, if it does, that's actually a GOOD thing. The only place you can't make a political statement is withing 75 feet of a voting booth. But, most people undecided at this point probably won't place a vote, feeling they might make a wrong or uninformed vote. I disagree, but some people feel that way. I said it before, and I'll say it again. This isn't about giving both sides of the coin. Again, someone made a clear statement, but was asked to carify. When they did, that wasn't enough. They were asked to back it up. When they did that, again, because they weren't your views, they were misinformed and wrong. Anyone can vote for whoever they want for whatever reason they want. That's not "wrong". You like Bush's stance on the war and the job he's done, or think Kerry has better plans for the war, vote for the one you like better. You hate Bush's Texas accent, or don't want to look at Kerry's big head for 4 years, don't vote for the one that bugs you more. Doesn't matter the reason, it's your reason and how you feel, and that's not "wrong". Nobody has to like it or agree. It's a clearcut case of not being able to stand someone not siding for Bush, and that makes them "wrong", no matter their reason or defense. Everything they say, they're told they're wrong for. Let a man have an opinion for crying out loud. It's ok even if it's not your opinion. There's a Halloween parade every year that goes by my house. Local towns all come, dressing themselves up and their kids. A cool smalltown festivity. I get into, and have lots of decorations and props for my house. One is an electric chair, with strobe lights and a smoke machine with a cd of electrical sound effects. Quite convincing at night. This year, I already bought a Bush mask, and I'll be sitting in that chair with that mask on. Hmmm, what statement am I making, especially 3 days before election day? Do you really need to ask? Have I changed anyone's vote? I think it's pretty clear. It's simply my opinion and my statement I'm making based on it.

Again, much love to EVERYone here, but geez, let a person have an opinion on something without trying to change their mind because it doesn't match yours. It's ok, it really is. Wanting to give people "both sides so they'll make the RIGHT decision" is NOT the same as so they'll make THEIR OWN decision.

[imarocker]

*Applause*

[Delirious Nomad]

Well EV....

He made a specific assertion that **** Cheney has challenged Kerry's medals (as noted with the comment "Stop challenging his medals "Old pork chop ass" as Don Imus calls ****less Cheney. Cheney or Bush wasnt in Vietnam. How can they judge if the medals were justified or not???)

The FACT is that Cheney has NEVER done that.
I merely asked for the evidence that Cheney has.

You call it someone having an opinion.
I call it correcting the record.

I'm sorry you have a problem with that.
:rolleyes:

[imarocker]

so you are an Independant Dn? lmao

[Delirious Nomad]

A registered Independent.....nope.
An independent thinker.........yep.

I don't drink the kool-aid.
Just the facts ma'am.
:D

[imarocker]

if you dont drink kool aide you are outa the cult...

[Delirious Nomad]

All I know is I'm supposed to meet Jim Jones for a drink.
I'll be back later.
:p

[imarocker]

get me a piece of Saturns rings ok?

[BassHasOldSoul]

we are the preists of the temple .. of xyrings..

[imarocker]

ok, finally, a good post by the punk...lmao

[BassHasOldSoul]

ewww hs pediafileness got all over my moniter get it away

[imarocker]

Originally posted by BassHasOldSoul
ewww hs pediafileness got all over my moniter get it away

you are just like my kid at 15, i wanted to smack him too. Are you trying to spell that word? Go here....Dictionary.com...

[BassHasOldSoul]

ahh more paedophileness ahh some one get some windex.. oh whats that? you already used it trying to kill ringo in his sleep?.. DAMN! what a waist of perfectly good windex

[imarocker]

Originally posted by BassHasOldSoul
ahh more paedophileness ahh some one get some windex.. oh whats that? you already used it trying to kill ringo in his sleep?.. DAMN! what a waist of perfectly good windex

4th version...whast color Kool aide am i buying you at the Downtown?

[BassHasOldSoul]

I dont accept drinks from strange michael jackson types... I dont want any Roophies in my kool aid thank you very much

[imarocker]

lmao,,,,you are such a punk.... good for you.

[BassHasOldSoul]

punk eughh I despise the very word... bad music.. dumb people... and one of the co founders of the epitamy of music .. the dreaded ..EMO!

[imarocker]

look punk, it was around before they coined that phrase..you are a sex pistol in disguise

[BassHasOldSoul]

you and your sexual enuendos ever hear of a female before? I guess not.

[imarocker]

I guess my wife was a boy like you....do you realize you just destroyed DN'S political campaign?

[Delirious Nomad]

Not MY political campaign.....I didn't start this, nor have I pushed any agenda or person.
I am merely seeking the truth and nothing can stop that.
:D

[Delirious Nomad]

Originally posted by love2sing
I give you my vote, you ***** me!

Anything is possible....:eek:

http://www.votergasm.com/

Be sure to check out the "How to Do It: 9 Steps to Votergasm"

[GreggFromJoisey]

Nomad, I'll put my hands over HER heart!!

[mark]

IN ALL THE EXCITEMENT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER I FIRED 5 OR 6 SHOTS. SO I ASK YOU, DO YOU FEEL LUCKY??????? WELL DO YA PUNK????

[GreggFromJoisey]

We dont recall if you have 5 concussions or 6
do you punk?
said the Giants to Brett Favre

[mark]

You bullies broke Doug Peterson's ribs too! Buncha Savages! Next time were gonna pull on Jeremy Shockeys hair like he's our sister! lol!


I love that word Punk. Think its just funny sounding. Its what I call my stepson. He always retaliates by callijng me Idiot.

[GreggFromJoisey]

Mark, now I wish I had accepted your invitation to watch the game. Would have loved to see "the show" of you and stepson as Archie and Meathead!! LOL Shockey was almost the goat, getting penalized for taunting. DUH!

[mark]

AHHHH No you don't. He's a Jets Fan. As if I need one of yas in each ear! Believe me, he's busting my chops with the JETS good start. I told him to wait a few more weeks until the Jets play a real team. They get a free ride the first 5 games of this season.

Can't come up this weekend. I'll be in Sunny Southern ARUBA for 4-5 days.




Originally posted by Oldiesfangc
Mark, now I wish I had accepted your invitation to watch the game. Would have loved to see "the show" of you and stepson as Archie and Meathead!! LOL Shockey was almost the goat, getting penalized for taunting. DUH!

[GreggFromJoisey]

"Aruba, Jamaica, lol

Jets, so far so good. We'll see. I guess Edwards is for real!

[Delirious Nomad]

The Jets?
Somebody wake Justin McCareins up!
He's ****ing a nut on my fantasy team!

...good thing I'm not starting him......:D

[mark]

He'll wak up JUSTIN time. JUSTIN time after you drop him from your fantasy team.

[GreggFromJoisey]

Mark, he should have taken Justin Timberlake in his fantasy league. He could have ripped off some cheerleaders' tops!!!!

[Delirious Nomad]

Well that will be next week.....cuz I just dropped him.
I've got some other decent WRs.

Actually, I just dropped him to pick up Chester Taylor (the backup RB for Baltimore)....

I'm hoping Jamal Lewis isn't going to be around much longer.
:D


Maybe we should start a sports thread?

[mark]

Ah that Justin is just a Boob!




Originally posted by Oldiesfangc
Mark, he should have taken Justin Timberlake in his fantasy league. He could have ripped off some cheerleaders' tops!!!!

[LessPaull]

I Like Boobs !!

[GreggFromJoisey]

Less,
Mark and I are boobs that love boobs.
(on the next Oprah) LOL

[bigdaddysmak]

Boobs are good...........

[J.B.]

Originally posted by GuitarPLYR


That was f'n HILARIOUS!!!!!!!
:D

New cartoon released at JibJab. Check it out.

[bigdaddysmak]

Originally posted by Delirious Nomad
Well that will be next week.....cuz I just dropped him.
I've got some other decent WRs.

Actually, I just dropped him to pick up Chester Taylor (the backup RB for Baltimore)....

I'm hoping Jamal Lewis isn't going to be around much longer.
:D


Maybe we should start a sports thread?


Well my fantasy team suxs.............

[imarocker]

my fantasy team got locked out...