Michael's in trouble AGAIN [Archive]

JimsLAwoman

11-19-2003, 03:48 PM

Poor Poor Micheal! Everyone is so mean to him!! He is so talented and, obviously bizarre but he hasn't matured since he was a child. He has been in the spotlight since he was like 5, and how can people grow up to become healthy adults if they've been criticized by people that don't even know them??!! I think Micheal should move to Spain or something, and leave everything he now has behind. Poor Poor Little Micheal...I really hope this is the last of the crap he has to endure!

RandyJ4ever

11-19-2003, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by JimsLAwoman
Poor Poor Micheal! Everyone is so mean to him!! He is so talented and, obviously bizarre but he hasn't matured since he was a child. He has been in the spotlight since he was like 5, and how can people grow up to become healthy adults if they've been criticized by people that don't even know them??!! I think Micheal should move to Spain or something, and leave everything he now has behind. Poor Poor Little Micheal...I really hope this is the last of the crap he has to endure!

Yeah I know. I really hope he's innocent. Poor Michael.

mountaindewlew

11-19-2003, 05:49 PM

Yeah, poor Micheal

Self-inflicted freakdom - molests children and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him.

Crash N' Ride

11-19-2003, 07:22 PM

I just don't know what to beleive anymore. I hope he is innocent on all of his charges because he is SOOOO talented. But then again he is one of the most bizzare people in the WORLD!!! :(

OU812

11-19-2003, 08:22 PM

his TV spot a year ago was a joke to help cover up his problem .
it all goes back to JOE JACKSON being a bastard

Crash N' Ride

11-19-2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by OU812
his TV spot a year ago was a joke to help cover up his problem .
it all goes back to JOE JACKSON being a bastard

I agree Tim!!

RandyJ4ever

11-19-2003, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by mountaindewlew
Yeah, poor Micheal

Self-inflicted freakdom - molests children and I'm supposed to feel sorry for him.

But what if he doesn't??

Crash N' Ride

11-19-2003, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by RandyJ4ever

But what if he doesn't??

Go point Lizzie!!! He very well could be innocent of all that crap.

RandyJ4ever

11-19-2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Crash N' Ride

Go point Lizzie!!! He very well could be innocent of all that crap.

Thank you!! Yes he's very, VERY weird and probably troubled and yes it's weird to have sleepoves with kids when you're 45, but then again his mind set is probably that of a little boy's and maybe it's nothing sexual at all.

Crash N' Ride

11-19-2003, 09:17 PM

True! I definetly agree. I hope he didn't do it and I do feel bad.

RandyJ4ever

11-19-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Crash N' Ride
True! I definetly agree. I hope he didn't do it and I do feel bad.

I know me too. I have so much sympathy for him because I want him to be innocent so badly. I just hope he is.

Crash N' Ride

11-19-2003, 09:27 PM

Yeah. :(

GuitarPLYR

11-19-2003, 10:04 PM

Innocent or not, he is a complete idiot for putting himself in that situation in the first place. Think about it, a 45 year old man having sleep overs with 12 year olds and younger. Then he doesn't allow the parents to overlook anything, they have to sleep in the main house. I agree with Tim that he is completely *****ed up because of the way he was raised by his father, but someone needs to alert this guy that just because he has more money than God doesn't give him the right to do as he pleases beyond the law. Poor Michael...I don't think so.

Chara

11-20-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by RandyJ4ever

I know me too. I have so much sympathy for him because I want him to be innocent so badly. I just hope he is.

I'm hoping hes innocent too, he is very talented and if you seen "The Jacksons" movie on TV, he never had a normal childhood. Following Micheal all these years since he was a boy in the Jackson 5, he was always this real sweet kid with a good heart. If he isn't guilty of all these molestation charges, I feel sorry for these people's accusations if its just for his $. He is very strange and maybe isn't normal, and is very eccentric. The problem is that he is living out his childhood now. If you seen his interview with Oprah a number of years ago, the guy had such a love towards children and even had kids who very terminal cancer victims come visit Neverland. Its sad and I'm not saying he isn't guilty of anything, because none of us were there, but if he is innocent, this must be a very sick horrible thing hes going through being accused of all these things. I hope all these accustaions aren't true, because it would definitly break my faith in him. If he has a problem, he should just admit it, but he really seems sincere that hes innocent. Micheal is just strange.

jeff2

11-20-2003, 01:31 AM

Don't forget that this very talented guy hung his very young child over a balcony by one arm a while back.Sorry NO EXCUSE for this no matter what his child hood was like!!!!! He should have been arrested on the spot. I personally think he should apply for the leading role in the next planet of the apes!!!
Sorry if I offended anyone but it just had to be said.

Chara

11-20-2003, 02:00 AM

No offense here, its your own opinion.

danny

11-20-2003, 02:20 AM

IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED(THE P.R.I.S.O.N.TOUR)....................

MrBungle

11-20-2003, 06:18 AM

sure...come sleep over in my bed with no sexual intentions and see what you get in the middle of the night!

gotta be startin somethin', wannabe startin' something....

pale rider

11-20-2003, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by MrBungle
sure...come sleep over in my bed with no sexual intentions and see what you get in the middle of the night!

gotta be startin somethin', wannabe startin' something....

Any parent that lets their child sleep at Neverland should be locked up in the cell right next to Michael. The guys 45 years old apparently he does'nt know the diifference between right and wrong.

ryank

11-20-2003, 09:18 AM

I'm anxious to see what the facts are. Also, i think the parents go along because of $. Everyone can be bought. I don't feel that he's a pedophile. He's fond of children because he missed all of that, and he's just way out of the loop socially. He tries to create his own world, and i think most people just can't relate. BUT, if there is clear evidence of sexual assault, Good Luck in prison, Michael. How do you think they'll treat him?

Chara

11-20-2003, 09:55 AM

sasssy1

11-20-2003, 01:03 PM

If he goes to prison he will be eaten up alive or go into solitary. I pray that he doesn't end up there. Besides, do you really think they would put him in general population????

chinarain62

11-20-2003, 01:31 PM

I think everyone has had a very interesting view with this whole thing.

For me personally, I'm with Tim and a few others. MJ's dad was a real bastard. Those children had a very f*d up childhood - they didn't even HAVE a childhood. Even their mom was abused by Joe Jackson. I think Michael has missed out on SO much as a child and had tried to create his own world to make up for things that he didn't have. I do think that these sleepovers are innocent - to him they are like slumber parties with no sexual intent. I do agree at 45 yrs. old it is very odd and he has always been very odd himself. But I think it's fair to say that we all have learned from example by many people in our lives - mainly as children from our parents. If you don't have a good role model, or you are in an abusive situation it just becomes a way of life, you don' tknow any better - to that person it's "normal". I think Michael has recognized as he grew older and more financially independent and secure that what his father did to him, his siblings and his mom was wrong and he's trying to just find that balance of how to love and convey it in his way. I think he just doesn't know what's proper and what isn't. Maybe this shakeup will help him determine that and express it in a more healthy way.

GuitarPLYR

11-20-2003, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by sasssy1
If he goes to prison he will be eaten up alive or go into solitary. I pray that he doesn't end up there. Besides, do you really think they would put him in general population????

I would be surprised if he was put into a "prison" like the ones we think of (Angola, San Quentin, etc...) His prison would be more like a country club.

Doorman

11-20-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by ryank
I'm anxious to see what the facts are. Also, i think the parents go along because of $. Everyone can be bought. I don't feel that he's a pedophile. He's fond of children because he missed all of that, and he's just way out of the loop socially. He tries to create his own world, and i think most people just can't relate. BUT, if there is clear evidence of sexual assault, Good Luck in prison, Michael. How do you think they'll treat him?
Its ABOUT TIME someone mentioned the key word to this whole issue.....THE PARENTS!!! Indeed Michael is beyond strange due mostly to his bizarre childhood and upbringing. But in his mind, having a sleepover with children and cuddling with them and giggling......well, he probably doesn't see anything wrong with that. Again.....the real problem here is THE PARENTS of the children and what there actual motives were for allowing this whole "arrangement" to take place. Reminds me of that Law and Order episode with our "dear friend" Adam Ferrara......
As if he didn't have enough financial woes....he just released a CD and DVD of his "Greatest Hits" (cause his new stuff CERTAINLY ain't sellin') now all those profits are goin' straight to his attorneys. An untimely demise is my prediction....but CERTAINLY not my hope!

pale rider

11-20-2003, 03:29 PM

I must be heartless, cold, callous, uncaring, unsympathetic and narrow minded, because I have absolutely no sympathy for a 45 year old man (who at this age should know the difference between right and wrong) who has childrens sleepovers and who has admitted to sleeping with them and cuddling with them and than expects not to be accused of being a pedophile. I guess I must be in the business I'm in for too long.

Aprillee

11-20-2003, 04:11 PM

You know Doorman is right.

WHo in the hell would let there child stay overnight with a Rock Star Period.

However, I pray that Michael is innocent. Not just for his own sake. But I have worked with children that were abused, sexually, and physically. The damage becomes a fibre of their entire being. Right from the root their mind is programmed incorrectly about trust, sex, self esteem, etc.

I hope these kids were not hurt.

Bottom line.

Crash N' Ride

11-20-2003, 08:07 PM

Well he got arrested today! Now lets wait and see.......

jeff2

11-20-2003, 10:15 PM

Pale Rider ,
My thoughts exactly.
Also I mentioned this earlier if he loves kids so much how can you hang your own child over a balcony-one slip its all over. As a parent of two wonderful boys thats just a little to risky for me.
All for what to show your kid to the world , he had his face covered up.Sure he is talented and had a *****ed up childhood but I feel no sympathy for him what so ever. That sticks in my mind more than anything he has ever done. NO EXCUSE
He deserves what ever he's got coming to him!!!!!!!

OU812

11-21-2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by chinarain62
I think everyone has had a very interesting view with this whole thing.

For me personally, I'm with Tim and a few others. MJ's dad was a real bastard. Those children had a very f*d up childhood - they didn't even HAVE a childhood. Even their mom was abused by Joe Jackson. I think Michael has missed out on SO much as a child and had tried to create his own world to make up for things that he didn't have. I do think that these sleepovers are innocent - to him they are like slumber parties with no sexual intent. I do agree at 45 yrs. old it is very odd and he has always been very odd himself. But I think it's fair to say that we all have learned from example by many people in our lives - mainly as children from our parents. If you don't have a good role model, or you are in an abusive situation it just becomes a way of life, you don' tknow any better - to that person it's "normal". I think Michael has recognized as he grew older and more financially independent and secure that what his father did to him, his siblings and his mom was wrong and he's trying to just find that balance of how to love and convey it in his way. I think he just doesn't know what's proper and what isn't. Maybe this shakeup will help him determine that and express it in a more healthy way. shit girl that was well well said YOU GET AN A+

mountaindewlew

11-21-2003, 09:47 AM

It was stated in a news report that one of the ACCUSATIONS was that he gave a 12 year old SLEEPING PILLS and WINE! And now this expose about a secret room? **** this guy is *****ed up. As far as the parents, I agree, they shouldn't have let their child go, however, they may be bleeding heart believers who thought MICHAEL WAS INNOCENT! And they believed. You can't have it both ways. You can't say HE'S INNOCENT and then say IT'S THE PARENTS FAULT because if you say he's innocent and we should believe it was all innocent fun, then you can't fault the parents for believing the same thing. You have to understand that these kids probably look to Michael as some sort of hero. You either believe he's innocent or you don't.

Personally, I think he's guilty as pedophiles are.

Doorman

11-21-2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by pale rider
I must be heartless, cold, callous, uncaring, unsympathetic and narrow minded, because I have absolutely no sympathy for a 45 year old man (who at this age should know the difference between right and wrong) who has childrens sleepovers and who has admitted to sleeping with them and cuddling with them and than expects not to be accused of being a pedophile. I guess I must be in the business I'm in for too long.
You are certainly NOT heartless, cold, etc.....the man is a friggin' whacko....period. He needs to be institutionalized. Yes he is somewhat of a caring philanthropist and does care about children,
but there is no excuse for some of these things that he does.
My 10 year old son likes VH's "Jump", I'm not sending him for a sleepover with Diamond Dave. He also likes some Type O songs that daddy listens to....he's not going to "Uncle Peters Sleepaway Camp"! PARENTAL DISCRETION!!! Probably my BIGGEST responsibility is to protect my children !!!

mark

11-21-2003, 11:18 AM

I think the whole thing is a waste of tax payers money. Michael has so much money he could wipe his butt clean with the entire scandal if he wants. Its just his image thats tarnished.

Apparently the cancer kids father parent was physically abusive too.

They should just let michael moon walk away and stop wasting our money!

Any parent who lets their kid visit Michael Jackson or sleep over or whatever is the one who should get the Amaduel Diallo broom stick up the ass.

To all these parents:

WAKE UP YOU BUNCHA *******S!!!!!

Delirious Nomad

11-21-2003, 11:24 AM

Yeah.....I hate "wasting" tax payer's money on putting twisted pedophiles that prey on 12 years olds for the purpose of molesting them, behind bars.

We shouldn't waste our time with guys like that.
Heck, just leave him alone,...he could move in next to me. My children need a playmate.

;)

zuzu

11-21-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by pale rider

Any parent that lets their child sleep at Neverland should be locked up in the cell right next to Michael. The guys 45 years old apparently he does'nt know the diifference between right and wrong.

You know, Michael may just be very backwards emotionally and not harming any children but what kind of parent would pimp their child that way when it could be true? There are other ways to raise funds for a sick child.

mark

11-21-2003, 11:55 AM

Ah figured I'd just post here again. Because apparently the last post made it fall right on top of another post with the subject

Bungles Crack

Figured I'd just keep Mikey away from Mr. Bungle.

chinarain62

11-21-2003, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by OU812
shit girl that was well well said YOU GET AN A+

Thanks OU - can't get any better than an A+

chinarain62

11-21-2003, 12:21 PM

The latest I heard today was that the boy who is accussing him is the boy that was in the interview he did - the one that was sick with cancer. Apparantly, this kid's family lived on the property and MJ paid all the medical bills. The family is from another country, bu they haven't said where. For some reason, MJ told them they couldn't live on the property any longer nor would he continue to pay for expenses so the family went to an attorney who then recommended the kid go see a shrink and thus the allegations. I'm NOT saying MJ's view on things isn't twisted, but if this is true, then it sounds to me like the family is a little pissed that their meal ticket got cut off.

I'm sure more to come.....

mark

11-21-2003, 12:55 PM

If this is true:

I hate people who always want something for nothing. Amazes us hard working individuals who put forth an extended effort in life to get ahead.

These parents were probably on mommys nipple until the were 15 years old too.
Like this black woman I saw on the train yesterday. Looked like 25 years old and was falling asleep ****ing her thumb?

Alot of people just need to grow up take on and accept responsibility. There are exceptions though such as a cancer victim or a disabled person.

But how about those dirt bags caught by DYFS in Jersey for collecting $30K a year support from the government for adopting three boys and then letting them starve while they carried around extra poundage! The oldest poor kid was 19 years old, 4 foot tall and weighed 45lbs. It didn't come to light until the police found him scrounging through a neighbors garbage can for food. Adopting parents tried to make all kinds of excuses like the boy had fetal alcohol syndrome and had eating disorders and such. Since taken away two weeks ago the kid has gain 23lbs and grew an inch!

Lets just hope that if its Mikeys fault or the parents fault the truth comes to the surface. But either way after the 1993 incident you'd have to be a idiot to leave your kid unattended with Michael Jackson!

Originally posted by chinarain62
The latest I heard today was that the boy who is accussing him is the boy that was in the interview he did - the one that was sick with cancer. Apparantly, this kid's family lived on the property and MJ paid all the medical bills. The family is from another country, bu they haven't said where. For some reason, MJ told them they couldn't live on the property any longer nor would he continue to pay for expenses so the family went to an attorney who then recommended the kid go see a shrink and thus the allegations. I'm NOT saying MJ's view on things isn't twisted, but if this is true, then it sounds to me like the family is a little pissed that their meal ticket got cut off.

I'm sure more to come.....

yleekiyote

11-21-2003, 01:08 PM

Funny thing is that "IF" this latest scandal is true, about MJ giving this family a home, and they are trying to sue him for some sexual assault, it will make the 1993 case a thing of the past. People will finally realize that perhaps this is not happening at all, that people are just taking advantage of a caring person. The guy does so much to the community and supports the youth and all, in bad taste to adults to allow lies to be made and a person's character to be jeopardized is ridiculous. Because he puts himself in harms way, you would think after the first attempt, he would say, "F off, I'm not doing this anymore". We all know that he is a few fries short of a happy meal, but the guy has a generous heart, even if some a holes could be creating lies about him. Like I said before, when you burn yourself once, you always remember the feeling so it wont happen again. Parents knew about 1993. They knew he paid the kid off. Let's wait for another few years and see if this kid doesn't come forward and say his parents put him up to it, just to get even more money. That's why I think MJ paid him, in hopes that in a few years, this kid will go public and save MJ.

Delirious Nomad

11-21-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by chinarain62
The latest I heard today was that the boy who is accussing him is the boy that was in the interview he did - the one that was sick with cancer. Apparantly, this kid's family lived on the property and MJ paid all the medical bills.

This part above is true.

My understanding is that the boy was being teased at school about his relationship with MJ. Then the boy started having problems. They took him to a shrink where the boy told of the "situation" with MJ regarding "sleeping pills and wine".
By law, the shrink MUST report this, which is what happened.
Then all this broke.

However, MJ has known about this for sometime. He hired Garagos as his lawyer a long time ago, and MJ had already bought the family passports and suggested that they go to "South America for awhile"......hmmm.... maybe where they are from.

What a mess.......

Delirious Nomad

11-21-2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by yleekiyote
Funny thing is that "IF" this latest scandal is true, about MJ giving this family a home, and they are trying to sue him for some sexual assault

I don't believe any civil suit has been filed.

I believe it is strictly a criminal case filed by the state based on the reporting from the shrink and then evidence found at MJ's ranch.

However, MJ did let them stay at his ranch. That part is still true.

chinarain62

11-21-2003, 02:04 PM

Do we know at this juncture what evidence was found at the ranch that wa s THAT incriminating?

mark

11-21-2003, 02:16 PM

Only the prosecuter knows right now. Defense attorney priveledge requires the prosecutor to turn that information over to him so he can prepare for rebuttal in court. Therefore anything you hear of read about is just hearsay and can't actually be verified. Sometimes the investigating officers who searched the place or an attorney may leak pertinent information out but its considered bad practice and frowned upon by the bar.

Sort of like that woman's panties containing other guys semen in the Kobe Bryant case. Some attorney leaked that out. I heard he got lashed fior it too.

Damn I watch too much law n order! lol!

Originally posted by chinarain62
Do we know at this juncture what evidence was found at the ranch that wa s THAT incriminating?

mark

11-21-2003, 03:09 PM

Even if guilty Michael isn't going out preying on kids.

These kids irresponsible Mommy and Daddys are serving them up to him. So in essence your not paying taxes to put Michael in jail your paying taxes for the stupidity of these kids parents.

I mean honestly. After 1993 would you leave your kid alone at his estate with Micheal for a sleep over? I certainly would not let my stepson go near him!

Some parents need to learn to act more responsibly.

Its like, don't drop your kid off at the bus stop and drive away if there's some pervert in a car nearby masterbating!

Originally posted by Delirious Nomad
Yeah.....I hate "wasting" tax payer's money on putting twisted pedophiles that prey on 12 years olds for the purpose of molesting them, behind bars.

We shouldn't waste our time with guys like that.
Heck, just leave him alone,...he could move in next to me. My children need a playmate.

;)

mark

11-21-2003, 05:11 PM

lol! And thats exactly what the parents should do and not drop the kid off at the school bus stop and take off.
I'd probably be itching to go over there, drag the person out of the car and beat the crap out of him. But then that isn't setting a good example for the kids either.
So Id probably go up and hand him directions to Mikeys estate.

Originally posted by HoleyMother
See you later, masturbator! :)

mark

11-21-2003, 05:14 PM

Better yet, pull him out of the car and I'll sic Puggs, my terror dog on him!

Originally posted by mark
lol! And thats exactly what the parents should do and not drop the kid off at the school bus stop and take off.
I'd probably be itching to go over there, drag the person out of the car and beat the crap out of him. But then that isn't setting a good example for the kids either.
So Id probably go up and hand him directions to Mikeys estate.

Delirious Nomad

11-21-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by mark
These kids irresponsible Mommy and Daddys are serving them up to him. So in essence your not paying taxes to put Michael in jail your paying taxes for the stupidity of these kids parents.

I agree totally.
My point is only that "IF" a crime has been committed, it MUST be punished......and that is done through the courts and taxes...(unfortunately)

:)