China Rain or the Sign?

[banterman]

OK, let's sort out the glam rockers from the prog rockers among the Zebra fans! I'm going to go with the Sign, on the basis that I like the intent better and that "I'm Alive" is an incredible enought song to be equal to many other entire albums.

[Don Wishon]

Banterman,

I am also going with The Sign, but I am biased in the fact that I am also a fan of Mark Mangold and Terry Brock. Oh well, one more vote for The Sign.

Don

[RnR TNT]

I am surprised at you guy's. Unless my copy of the sign was overly compressed & prodouced. I'm going with China Rain a great Rock album. Only I can't vote every time I vote a messedge pops up invalid function.

[Don Wishon]

Let me give the China Rain CD another listen. Yes, RnR TNT, the Frontiers version of "Signs of Life" was compressed (Randy was very disappointed by that)...but I knew about that particular project from the very beginning and was very much looking forward to its release. So, once again, I do think I am using an unfair bias in my vote.

[Crash N' Ride]

I don't think China Rain was that great. To me it was very "Hair Bandish". Don't get me wrong Randy was GREAT in it but the songs were hair bandish to me. I like a one song on that CD, "Your'e Only Lonely Today" which is my fav' off the album. I think this stuff sounded just like Poison and Motley Crue material. And I HATE those band's! I haven't heard The Sign yet, so I'm not gonna vote. But when I hear it you could probablly count on me to vote The Sign, cause I don't like hair bands!

- Nick

[Delirious Nomad]

I love 'em both, but if I had a gun to my head....
I'd go with China Rain.

[GuitarPLYR]

China Rain. I didn't particularly care for The Sign

[RnR TNT]

I don't like the hair bands either but the China Rain is so well done it gotten me drawn into that sound .

[Crash N' Ride]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
I don't like the hair bands either but the China Rain is so well done it gotten me drawn into that sound .

It is a WAY, WAY overproduced album.

- Nick

[RnR TNT]

No doubt about it but it's still better than The Sign

[Crash N' Ride]

I couldn't say that, I haven't heard The Sign.

- Nick

[chinarain62]

Wait.....guess which answer mine is?:rolleyes:

[banterman]

Originally posted by chinarain62
Wait.....guess which answer mine is?:rolleyes:

you realize we're voting on China Rain the band, not China Rain the woman, right?

Speaking of CR, Brian Tichy was on the cover of East Coast Rocker a few months back (March I think). Anyone see it?

[RnR TNT]

Your Pullin my Pud But the juice keep's comin --------That line is only available on the China version of Light of my Love

[Mak Rackett]

My vote definelty goes to The Sign cause like Crash said "China Rain is way to hairbanish". It doesn't even sound like Randy's voice, if ya' ask me.

[chinarain62]

Originally posted by banterman


you realize we're voting on China Rain the band, not China Rain the woman, right?




No Dan; really????





:rolleyes:

[RnR TNT]

YOUR Pullin My Pud But The Juice Keeps Comin ( Gonna get you with the Light of my love, dadadada dadadada da da da

[Sgt.Pepper]

Once you get past the hair spray, China Rain is a very good CD.

[Mak Rackett]

It's alright.

- Mike

[Delirious Nomad]

Originally posted by Sgt.Pepper
Once you get past the hair spray, China Rain is a very good CD.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

[Mr. Orange]

I think The Sign was better than China Rain. China Rain good but it doesn't seem to have that randy Jackson feel to it.

[RnR TNT]

The Signs key board player is obsessed with Joe ****ers woodstock version of " with a little help from my friends" every chance he gets on the sign he sneaks riffs from the intro and randy hardly sings on it, and there are too many dead beat songs on it.

[JUKEBOX HERO]

the sign works for me

[RnR TNT]

I listen to the sign twice a month. They are 2 different things . how's that?

[banterman]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
The Signs key board player is obsessed with Joe ****ers woodstock version of " with a little help from my friends" every chance he gets on the sign he sneaks riffs from the intro and randy hardly sings on it, and there are too many dead beat songs on it.

The keyboard playing on "I'm Alive" is great. As for Randy singing, he might not sing much but he plays some great guitar on The Sign's album.

[OU812]

B MAN YOUR ALIVE GLAD YOUR BACK

[RandyJ4ever]

I've never heard Signs but I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Chinarain!!!

[Doorman]

The Dman has voted and it's for China Rain!

[RnR TNT]

China Rain , It's The only place you'll hear Randy sing ( on Light of my Love) Your Pullin My Pud But The Juice Keeps Comin , Gonna getcha

[banterman]

for some strange reason I don't go around judging music projects by whether or not they discuss pud pulling!

[RnR TNT]

OHHHH Your Pullin My Pud But The Juice Keeps Comin!!!

[banterman]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
OHHHH Your Pullin My Pud But The Juice Keeps Comin!!!

yeah, yeah already! we got that the first 8,578 times you quoted that line! Personally I prefer "squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg" if'n you know what I mean.

[Eddie S]

China Rain wins by a hair

[Crash N' Ride]

Originally posted by Eddie S
China Rain wins by a hair

12 to 8 if you want to call that a hair. ;)

[OU812]

cr kills the sign

[banterman]

Originally posted by OU812
cr kills the sign

dude, what are you talking about? CR is a bunch of hair band nonsense, The Sign album actually has some quality prog rock on it!

The Sign kicks the ass of China Rain and all those who disagree must be silenced!

Just kidding, I love you all, even you silly hair band fanatics!

[banterman]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
The Signs key board player is obsessed with Joe ****ers woodstock version of " with a little help from my friends" every chance he gets on the sign he sneaks riffs from the intro and randy hardly sings on it, and there are too many dead beat songs on it.

Now that's some funny sh@*!!!

[banterman]

Originally posted by Crash N' Ride
I don't think China Rain was that great. To me it was very "Hair Bandish". Don't get me wrong Randy was GREAT in it but the songs were hair bandish to me. I like a one song on that CD, "Your'e Only Lonely Today" which is my fav' off the album. I think this stuff sounded just like Poison and Motley Crue material. And I HATE those band's! I haven't heard The Sign yet, so I'm not gonna vote. But when I hear it you could probablly count on me to vote The Sign, cause I don't like hair bands!

- Nick


See, this is what I'm talkin' about!

[RnR TNT]

How about this
You will like The Signe if you like Kansas, Joe ****er, Rush, Yes, Sammy hagar, and you #@$!%#@

You will like China Rain if you Like Randy Jackson, Zebra, Zepplin, Malmsteen , deep purple, Jonny Thunders, the monkeys

And to all those Hair Band comments. Remember those "hair band " posers were imitating the few good what ever they are and gave them a bad name.

Your alright Banterman but I still think the Sign ****s

[banterman]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
How about this
You will like The Signe if you like Kansas, Joe ****er, Rush, Yes, Sammy hagar, and you #@$!%#@

You will like China Rain if you Like Randy Jackson, Zebra, Zepplin, Malmsteen , deep purple, Jonny Thunders, the monkeys

And to all those Hair Band comments. Remember those "hair band " posers were imitating the few good what ever they are and gave them a bad name.

Your alright Banterman but I still think the Sign ****s

I think it's more like you'll dig China Rain if you dig Motley Crue, Poison, Def Leppard. I really only like "You're Only Lonely Today" and "Light of My Love" on that album because those songs are much more of the Zeppelin influence. Still not sure which LOML I like better.

I actually think that in many ways Zebra is more like the Sign than China Rain. Zebra has a lot of those prog rock influences like Yes and Rush and Kansas.

I dig all the bands you mentioned except for Yngvie because he #@$!%#@ major %#&* and Jonny Thunders because I have no idea who he is.

Now don't go forcing me to write my opinion of the song "Last Forever" ok?!

[jennbo]

Originally posted by RnR TNT
How about this
You will like The Signe if you like Kansas, Joe ****er, Rush, Yes, Sammy hagar, and you #@$!%#@

You will like China Rain if you Like Randy Jackson, Zebra, Zepplin, Malmsteen , deep purple, Jonny Thunders, the monkeys

And to all those Hair Band comments. Remember those "hair band " posers were imitating the few good what ever they are and gave them a bad name.

Your alright Banterman but I still think the Sign ****s

OUCH!:(

[Wakddood]

I like both albums but I like CR better for 2 reasons. 1 I'm an 80's metalhead and love that stuff. 2 Randy has an awesome voice and hardly sings on the Sign. Also I hated most of the hair bands from the 80's and CR doesn't sound like them. That album just came out too late, Grunge was taking over by then. As a Kansas fan, I love The Sign but I think they missed out by not using Randy on vocals more. That's my 2 cents.:p

[Crash N' Ride]

I don't think either of them **** but neither of them are GREAT.

[jennbo]

Originally posted by Wakddood
As a Kansas fan, I love The Sign but I think they missed out by not using Randy on vocals more.

WELL SAID!!!!:)

[ronbo11]

The Sign: Prog rock trumps hair rock anyday of the week.

[banterman]

Thanks for your input, folks, but most of you are just commenting and not actually voting. These polls, unlike the other threads, provide you a place to vote and see poll results at the top of the screen. Writing a text message that you like China Rain or whatever is not actually voting!

[RandyJ4ever]

Well I've never heard Signs, but really love Chinarain!!!!!

[RobertDLG]

"You're Only Lonely Today"
"Last Forever"
"Light of My Love"

For me, the choice is clear: Randy Jackson's China Rain.

[banterman]

Originally posted by RobertDLG
"You're Only Lonely Today"
"Last Forever"
"Light of My Love"

For me, the choice is clear: Randy Jackson's China Rain.

"I'm Alive" by the sign is better than any of those. Actually, the 2 CR songs I like are "You're Only Lonely Today" and "LOML" which of course is also a Zebra song. Never could see the appeal of "Last Forever."

[ZEBRAFREAK]

CHINA RAIN WAS ALL RANDY!!!
THE SIGN WASN'T...WHAT DO YOU THINK MY VOTE WILL BE!!!

[RobertDLG]

What's the deal with this:This CD contains the "U.S. Masters" and is available only on this Website. It contains All "Bonus Tracks" omitted from other territory's versions, contains mixes not previously released and it is specially mastered by the band with superior sound.http://indigorecords.com/sign.html

I have the Japanese version with one bonus track (I never bought the domestic release), but this sounds like something different.

[charlie demar]

China Rain is a better album, but overall , the Sign has more talent. "FOREVER AGAIN" ,off the Sign C.D. is an absolutely awesome piece of work. Hopefully the Sign's new release will kick butt.

[OU812]

ILL TAKE CHINARAIN

[chinarain62]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[OU812]

what the hell does that hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Crash N' Ride]

Originally posted by charlie demar
China Rain is a better album, but overall , the Sign has more talent. "FOREVER AGAIN" ,off the Sign C.D. is an absolutely awesome piece of work. Hopefully the Sign's new release will kick butt.

When is that coming out????? If it ever does!

[jeff connelly]

I LOVE BOTH BUT CHINA RAIN SMOKES THE SIGN

[imarocker]

I cant believe this was even a vote that was close. The Sign is Awful. China rain was Fun. the Sign sounds likes Kansas and i couldnt stand that band. They were God awful.
and how is the sign NOT A HAIR BAND EITHER?
the 3rd track is so much like journey i want to hurl...
Banterman picked on Last Forever, Forever again is BRUTAL to listen to...BRUTAL
I listened to this cd once and swore id never torture my self with this crap again....I saw this poll...There is no choice here,,,the Sign Is ****ing awful and Girlie hairband lying progreesive, it aint progressive, its awful. Its So Anti Zebra i will never listen to this piece of shit again.
Its so Corporate crap Its astounding how bad it is...
My God, as i listen it gets worse...

wtf? Is this a rocky Movie? this is awful, what are you people thinking?
THIS IS HORRID. this is the exact reason Zebra was shunned...1/2 this shit shoulda been in flashdance

I cant believe Randy participated in this....Is the Worst Cd of all time...by farrrrrrr

My God it gets worse every song....Its god Awful...theres not a song i can EVEN LIKE on the sign...

It will no doubt go down as the worst crap ive ever heard, China rain was at least fun, and Banterman? Id put Last Forever against any song on this crappy sign...you seem to be hooked into Bands like Kansas and Journey who were God Awful for Music. Was there any wonder Grunge wanted that shit out?
I know, you all like some stuff by all of them but that is what the backlash was about, Kansas, Journey, Foreigner...Blah blah blah...This cd sounds like a rocky movie i swear its so bad...ITS BAD

[RnR TNT]

Right on Rocker Rehashing some old disputes heheh
and lets not forget " lasts forever" is a love song about Randy and his Guitar ! Lets not forget Mark Hitts groovey solos on CHINA RAIN .

[banterman]

Hey Rocker,

why are you holding back so much? why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

I actually only like "I'm Alive" on that album, but I like it so much that I think it tops China Rain. I don't like CR much either other than "Only Lonely Today." Then again I also like Kansas, and I hate stuff like Poison that many Zebra fans seems to go for.

Anyway, Zebra was not shunned because of The Sign. Their initial popularity waned way before that.

Originally posted by imarocker
I cant believe this was even a vote that was close. The Sign is Awful. China rain was Fun. the Sign sounds likes Kansas and i couldnt stand that band. They were God awful.
and how is the sign NOT A HAIR BAND EITHER?
the 3rd track is so much like journey i want to hurl...
Banterman picked on Last Forever, Forever again is BRUTAL to listen to...BRUTAL
I listened to this cd once and swore id never torture my self with this crap again....I saw this poll...There is no choice here,,,the Sign Is ****ing awful and Girlie hairband lying progreesive, it aint progressive, its awful. Its So Anti Zebra i will never listen to this piece of shit again.
Its so Corporate crap Its astounding how bad it is...
My God, as i listen it gets worse...

wtf? Is this a rocky Movie? this is awful, what are you people thinking?
THIS IS HORRID. this is the exact reason Zebra was shunned...1/2 this shit shoulda been in flashdance

I cant believe Randy participated in this....Is the Worst Cd of all time...by farrrrrrr

My God it gets worse every song....Its god Awful...theres not a song i can EVEN LIKE on the sign...

It will no doubt go down as the worst crap ive ever heard, China rain was at least fun, and Banterman? Id put Last Forever against any song on this crappy sign...you seem to be hooked into Bands like Kansas and Journey who were God Awful for Music. Was there any wonder Grunge wanted that shit out?
I know, you all like some stuff by all of them but that is what the backlash was about, Kansas, Journey, Foreigner...Blah blah blah...This cd sounds like a rocky movie i swear its so bad...ITS BAD

[imarocker]

Anyway, Zebra was not shunned because of The Sign. Their initial popularity waned way before that.

Thats what i meant. Zebra wasnt Shunned because of the Sign, they were shunned because they got GROUPED in with this crap.
I stand by what i said. LAST FOREVER is a great song, hairband, zebra song or RJ solo. Bang On the Wall is Fun, so is Sex reaction and Light and Bed...i like every song on this cd except one and that is for the same reason i dont like the sign.

[banterman]

I think Zebra's problem was more that they got grouped in with 80s hair metal bands even though their music was not like that at all. I think Zebra's music is much more like Led Zep/Rush/Yes but because it was the 80s and because the albums had that production style they got lumped in with bands like Poison which they were nothing like in reality.

I guess there's more than 1 angle you can come into Zebra from. Some come in from the 80s metal angle, some more from the prog rock angle.

Originally posted by imarocker
Anyway, Zebra was not shunned because of The Sign. Their initial popularity waned way before that.

Thats what i meant. Zebra wasnt Shunned because of the Sign, they were shunned because they got GROUPED in with this crap.
I stand by what i said. LAST FOREVER is a great song, hairband, zebra song or RJ solo. Bang On the Wall is Fun, so is Sex reaction and Light and Bed...i like every song on this cd except one and that is for the same reason i dont like the sign.

[imarocker]

Its all cool, regardless of what happened, it happened. We can't change the past.
Poison ****ed!
The only HAIR band i can remember liking was Cinderella and they were also a rip off of the Stones i thought.
Lets Get some NELSON stuff on here!!

[Delirious Nomad]

Cinderella was the only one you liked?

I thought there were many fine "hair bands" back in the 80's.

Just of the top of my head....
Ratt
Whitesnake
Warrant
Firehouse
TNT
Dokken
Wasp
Tesla
Slaughter
White Lion

.........that was some of my favorite music growing up.:cool:

[banterman]

nope, sorry Nomad. The only worthwhile band on the list is Ratt. ;-)

Originally posted by Delirious Nomad
Cinderella was the only one you liked?

I thought there were many fine "hair bands" back in the 80's.

Just of the top of my head....
Ratt
Whitesnake
Warrant
Firehouse
TNT
Dokken
Wasp
Tesla
Slaughter
White Lion

.........that was some of my favorite music growing up.:cool:

[JACK@PTECH]

HAIR OR NO HAIR, I REALLY LIKE THE THE CHINA RAIN PROJECT

[banterman]

actuall, I just heard snippets of the new Sign album at the Frontiers Records site, and I'm starting to see the points of some of the anti-Sign people here. I guess I mainly just think "I'm Alive" is a great song.

[imarocker]

and what i took exception to was that you thought a song was better than a Whole band and Love Forever...Sorry...I cant deal with the Sign.

[banterman]

Originally posted by imarocker
and what i took exception to was that you thought a song was better than a Whole band and Love Forever...Sorry...I cant deal with the Sign.

well, the thing is that by CR I only like "YOLT" and I did like "LOML" but then the Zebra version came along and rendered it useless. So I really only like 1 song by each, but what the Frontiers site is tauting from this new Sign album is like, if that's the best they've got then I'll pass.

[imarocker]

Well that sad but you like Foriegner too right?
I loved the absolute fun of the CD,,,there were so many tongue in cheek things it wasnt funny...Go Bang your head on the wall

[banterman]

Originally posted by imarocker
Well that sad but you like Foriegner too right?
I loved the absolute fun of the CD,,,there were so many tongue in cheek things it wasnt funny...Go Bang your head on the wall

Foreigner? i liked them when I was in high school, haven't listened to 'em since.

[imarocker]

you realize we are boring these poor people to tears? Lets drop this..

[RUSHFAN]

I hate when people start grouping bands by hair band or not. Check out Rush in the mid 80's and even they put their hair up. Look at Ozzy as well. ***** the term hair band. and i don't know where you people come off calling China Rain hair band music. Can we just call good music, music. i listen to the music first and foremost, and am not concerned by what the band looks like. I happen to like some poison as well as Motley crue. I don't believe you can group Tesla and Whitesnake in with hair bands either. Whitesnake was around in the 70's. My point is , that everybody at some point or another teased their hair in the 80's. SO WHAT!!!. Just listen to music and like it or not.
And given the crap that's coming out now in the music world, i'd take some hair band music anyway.

[banterman]

I don't remember Rush ever teasing out their hair. What era would that be?

[Real McKoy]

Motley Crue was pretty awesome too I agree Rushfan you centrist you

[RUSHFAN]

Banterman, check out their pictures on i believe from either signals, grace under pressure or power windows. Geddy's hair was quite funny looking.

[Real McKoy]

Shout at the Devil Rushfan also Dr. Feelgood kickeed major ass.

Mick Mars is great guitar player but never reminded me of a human being

[RUSHFAN]

Actually Banter, i was looking at my old rush pictures, not as teased as i thought, thank god.
In the 80's every record company who had an artist who had guitars in their band, tried to get them to tease their hair.

[banterman]

Originally posted by RUSHFAN
Actually Banter, i was looking at my old rush pictures, not as teased as i thought, thank god.
In the 80's every record company who had an artist who had guitars in their band, tried to get them to tease their hair.

Then perhaps a lack of hairspray in the 80s CAN be a sign of a band's integrity?!? Notice that as bad as Jimmy Page's 80s projects were, you didn't see him teasing his hair!

I suggest bands stick with leave-in conditioner and leave the hairspray behind ;-)

[RUSHFAN]

If Jimmy Page teased his hair i'd shave mine. your probably right about the integrity comment, but i still stand by my comment that i don't care what they look like, just the music. Poison, motley Crue, cinderella, Ratt and the like put out some good music despite the hair, in my humble opinion.

[Ludwig7]

The Sign.

[GreggFromJoisey]

How about they each put out a follow up CD and then we'll do another poll. Prefer The Sign. I've always been a fan of the "concept album".