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GreggFromJoisey
11-15-2007, 09:14 AM
from www.eddietrunk.com

Van Halen at MSG Eddie Trunk review

11/14/07: Finally had the chance to see the new/old Van Halen at MSG last night. I have heard mostly rave reviews about the show so was excited to see it for myself. The scene outside the Garden was electric, really reminded me of an old school show. Clearly this tour is doing huge business! The tickets are not cheap, but MSG was packed to the rafters. Not a ticket to be had at any price for this show outside and they easily could have done more nights (I'm sure they will be back!). Inside felt like a party for 20,000, and with a reggae flavored opener that didn't fit the bill at all, the beer lines were very long in the hall while the warm up act was on. All the material in the show was from the 1984 album back. One of the great benefits of Roth back in is that these guys can now pull from what are the strongest VH albums, and play songs they haven't touched even in the Hagar years. The set was a mix of the many hits from this lineup (Dance The Night Away, opener You Really Got Me, Hot For Teacher, Panama, Cradle Will Rock, I'll Wait, and the lone encore Jump), as well as some album cut gems that made me most excited (Little Dreamer, I'm The One, Romeo Delight). Really, just about anything from the Roth era is great, and even though I loved the set, I thought of countless greats not in the show after I left. Guess you can't play them all! This is no knock on the Hagar era. Some great stuff there as well, but this is all about Roth and the crowd ate it up! The stage set was pretty modest, with a small riser for the drums, some lasers, and a ramp that was barely used into the crowd. Here's a breakdown of the band member performances:

David Lee Roth: Far and away the biggest surprise of the night for me. He was better than he has ever been, ever! Vocally he has never been better. Not sure if he took lessons or is just trying harder, but he sang GREAT by Roth standards. He was Diamond Dave, but not to the point of being to over the top and annoying. He had his signature "Look At All The People Here Tonight" and "I forgot the ------- words man" lines, but knew where to draw the line. He was on top of his game and looked thrilled to be off of the club stages he has played recently. He was in great shape physically and vocally and appeared totally sober. Again, just enough "Diamond Dave" without being overbearing. The stage belonged to him the entire night and he really was great in all ways. And this is coming from a guy that was thrilled when he was originally replaced by Hagar! You could really see how happy DLR was to be back in the band he helped form, and he even kept the stage banter to a tolerable limit. Super job.

Eddie Van Halen: I last saw EVH play on the 2003 reunion tour with Hagar and it was a disaster. He was wasted, sloppy, and you could not even recognize the songs. Thank God this tour was delayed for him to go to rehab, because it paid off, and there is nothing more important than him staying clean to this lineup surviving. He appeared happy, healthy (even though he was still smoking!) and sober, and his playing was back to being in top form again. The guy is simply one of the best that has ever lived and he showed why last night. The one negative would have to be in his stage performance. He was almost nailed to one spot on the stage the entire show! Unlike previous tours where he would walk/run around and be active, he stays totally anchored in front of a monitor just a few feet from his brothers drums the entire show! Never went near the front of the stage let alone the ramps out in the crowd. Not exactly sure why. I was seated just 3 rows up parallel to the stage and watched him walk down the stairs during the drum solo and he was moving a bit slowly, so not sure if it's a medical issue (he did have hip replacement) or something else, but the stage performance end of his playing was not anywhere close to what it once was. Even still, when you play like he can, he is still the focal point. He also seemed really happy to be on stage with his son, brother and Roth, and did take a rare stroll or two near Wolfie's mic for a very brief time. The guy is one of the all time masters and you have to cherish every chance you get to watch him work, and I did.

Alex Van Halen: Smaller kit and riser then past tours. Really one of the great under rated drummers in rock. Did a great job holding it all together. Would have rather heard 3 more songs than his solo though. Not a knock on his solo, just so many great VH tunes, but I guess it gave a blow to the other guys.

Wolfgang Van Halen: The X factor of this tour. I am on record saying it is crazy Michael Anthony is not a part of this and I still feel that way. Not a knock on Wolfie, but Anthony's stage presence and happy go lucky vibe was missing, not to mention his vocals (more on that in a second). For a 17 year old Wolfie did a great job. Imagine playing on stages to crowds that big on a tour this important at 17! He can clearly play bass and there were some nice moments with Dad on stage, but that's about it. As you would imagine, no stage presence at all, and it looked at times like he was a contest winner that had won a chance to play with Van Halen. I can't stress enough that I am NOT dissing him. For his age and experience level he did a fine job and I didn't expect him to be great on stage, but Michael Anthony should be in the band, as simple as that.

One of the big questions raised when it was announced Anthony was not in was who will handle all the backing vocals? That is a key part to the bands sound and Anthony was the main voice. Well the answer as far as the live show to that question is nobody. Hate to say this but I would bet anything that VH are using sampled/recorded backing vocal tracks to supplement Wolfie and Eddie. It was incredibly obvious where I was sitting. I was also hearing some of the monitor mix from my angle and it was even more obvious. The backing vocals were way to good! There were like 100 voices, everything pitch perfect, and sometimes just Wolfie in front of a mic! To me there is no question stuff is being piped in, either with samples or off stage singer, but I would say samples from what I heard. There are two songs in the set with keyboards (Jump and I'll Wait) with no keys anywhere on stage, so I doubt the band really care that they appear to be supplementing their sound. I mean it's completely obvious with those songs! But I must admitt it started to become a bit distracting by mid set because they were so loud and so perfect, it was a little much. I'm sure Eddie and Wolfie were in the mix somewhere, but there was a lot of off stage help in that department no doubt. That being said, I doubt anyone really cared for the most part. The crowd was standing the entire time and just thrilled to have these guys back. And I was to! This is simply one of the great rock bands of all time, with some of the greatest music ever, and this show is all about celebrating that. Where it goes from here is anyones guess, but with the $$$ being made and the good vibes on stage, it looks like it will last for a while. Let's hope that's the case and also hope for some new music at some point that's half as good as the songs played last night.

As a quick side note, THANK YOU to everyone who said hi to me at the show and on the street at MSG. Just an awesome feeling to know so many care about what I do and many thanked me for being someone who plays the deep VH cuts all the time. As always I appreciate the support. After the show I headed to the MSG studio where we showed footage of the bands first 3 songs and I did some commentary on camera about the show.

ET

ryank
11-17-2007, 07:51 AM
I don't think i'd like the piped in sounds. For me, it would be distracting. Part of the show in the old days was seeing eddie play the keys, then switch to guitar. I understand that there may have been concern about having to reproduce michael anthony, but backing vox coming out while wolfie standing at the mic? I'd rather see a couple of backup singers/players on stage. Eddie's hip may have been bothering him. I am glad that roth had a good time. I can't say that i'd go see this. It sounds like they scaled down with stage production too. That's understandable; i don't expect 50? year old guys to be doing flying splits across the stage. IF, somehow, .... hagar and anthony could have been involved, even with wolfie and roth - i'd go see that. Maybe the singer who wasn't singing lead could pitch in on backing vocals, keyborads or guitar. yeah right!

Andrew
11-17-2007, 01:56 PM
Good review from Ed and I agree with ryank: Im sure these guys are putting on good shows, they are talented and they are pro's.....but I personally think a lot of the key points are missing: real keyboards,real vocals,and Mike Anthony...I think its a show thats probably . more dedicated to the commercial masses: people that want to hear Jump and stuff from the MTV era , people that just want to see Dave and Eddie on stage together no matter what...although I think its cool that they played some of the less commercial tunes (according to Ed Trunk) like "Im The One" and "Romeo Delight" etc....My hats off to 17 year old Wolfie as well for handling his part (looking nervous in a lot of photos) but its hard to fill in the job for a guy thats just a 50 year old pro...
Personally like I said on previous threads Im not gonna go pay huge money for something that I think could have been done a lot better with the original 4 guys... and as ryank said: I would love to see the whole Van Halen family tour... My perfect sinario would be:let the original 4 members do their stuff, let Hagar do a set with Mike, Eddie and Alex,let Wolfie do a special appearance and get on bass for just a couple of songs and or double dad on guitar and then let Gary Cherone come out and do a few songs from Van Halen 3!!! Then they can all jam...I think Iron Maiden did this in England for their 25th anniversary with all members past and present.....

ryank
11-17-2007, 11:46 PM
last time i saw maiden (on video), they had 3 guitarists. I think adrian left the band, and when he showed interest again, they just kept adrian's replacement in the band.

GreggFromJoisey
11-19-2007, 04:11 PM
Great ideas Andrew!!!!!
Sammy said between songs, when I saw him in June 2006 "I'm gonna keep touring, everyone. If "THE BROTHERS" want to join me for some jams, they can stop by anytime they want"! Thunderous applause from the crowd!

Good review from Ed and I agree with ryank: Im sure these guys are putting on good shows, they are talented and they are pro's.....but I personally think a lot of the key points are missing: real keyboards,real vocals,and Mike Anthony...I think its a show thats probably . more dedicated to the commercial masses: people that want to hear Jump and stuff from the MTV era , people that just want to see Dave and Eddie on stage together no matter what...although I think its cool that they played some of the less commercial tunes (according to Ed Trunk) like "Im The One" and "Romeo Delight" etc....My hats off to 17 year old Wolfie as well for handling his part (looking nervous in a lot of photos) but its hard to fill in the job for a guy thats just a 50 year old pro...
Personally like I said on previous threads Im not gonna go pay huge money for something that I think could have been done a lot better with the original 4 guys... and as ryank said: I would love to see the whole Van Halen family tour... My perfect sinario would be:let the original 4 members do their stuff, let Hagar do a set with Mike, Eddie and Alex,let Wolfie do a special appearance and get on bass for just a couple of songs and or double dad on guitar and then let Gary Cherone come out and do a few songs from Van Halen 3!!! Then they can all jam...I think Iron Maiden did this in England for their 25th anniversary with all members past and present.....

macca
11-19-2007, 08:11 PM
Sammy, the ever loving team player. Saw him last year also, shame Mike coldn't be there because of the BS between the VH brothers.

Andrew
11-21-2007, 02:59 AM
11-18-2007 03:46 AM
ryank: last time i saw maiden (on video), they had 3 guitarists. I think adrian left the band, and when he showed interest again, they just kept adrian's replacement in the band....

You are 100% right... his name is Janick Geres a real good guitar player and decent songwriter .. Publically Steve Harris claimed that he always wanted to have 3 guitar players since it opens new possibilities...off the record rumor has it they werent sure if Adrain was gonna stick around after the reunion with Adrian and Bruce ****inson tour had come to an end, since his heart (Adrian's)has been in his solo projects for the past 10 + years....It was prob. a lot easier to have 3 guitarists,than fire Janick then have Adrian quit and have only 1...

GreggFromJoisey
11-21-2007, 09:44 AM
Now I LOVE Iron Maiden but when this board censors the singer's last name, that's B.S. folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
his name is Bruce****inson!!!!!!!!

kenny2112
11-23-2007, 12:30 AM
actually his name is Janick Gers...and though most Maiden fans think he is the lesser of the 3 I think his songwriting has become top shelf stuff of late...The Legacy is one of the greatest songs ever created and he should get the praise he deserves for writing it....nice to see some fellow Maiden fans on this board. I always say that a band consisting of Peart , Jackson , Harris, Lee , Smith and Murray would be awe inspiring. To those who may think Maiden is your standard 80's Metal band and are not deserving of your time I say to you please download Journeyman, For the Greater Good of God and The Legacy and your views may change.

GreggFromJoisey
11-24-2007, 04:24 PM
Is Nicko McBrian still the drummer?

kenny2112
11-24-2007, 09:32 PM
yes he is.

GreggFromJoisey
11-28-2007, 04:45 PM
AWESOME drummer
My first concert 1985 Iron Maiden with Queensryche, Radio City music hall, NYC

Andrew
11-30-2007, 12:07 AM
kenny2112 wrote:actually his name is Janick Gers...and though most Maiden fans think he is the lesser of the 3 I think his songwriting has become top shelf stuff of late...The Legacy is one of the greatest songs ever created and he should get the praise he deserves for writing it....nice to see some fellow Maiden fans on this board. I always say that a band consisting of Peart , Jackson , Harris, Lee , Smith and Murray would be awe inspiring. To those who may think Maiden is your standard 80's Metal band and are not deserving of your time I say to you please download Journeyman, For the Greater Good of God and The Legacy and your views may change.
11-21-2007 01:44 PM

huge Maiden fan...sorry for the typo on his last name....agreed: a great guitar player and a great writer in fact looking back at the "Fear of The Dark" LP, I think some of the strongest songs were wrote or co wrote by him..