HOPE this is televised! (Triumph), a fave of mine!

[GreggFromJoisey]

:D from www.melodicrock.com

TRIUMPH TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE CANADIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY HALL OF FAME:
This Triumph news in today - quoted from two sources:
1 - Canadian hard-rock trio Triumph will be inducted into the Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame during Rogers Wireless Canadian Music Week. Music veterans Gil Moore (drums/vocals), Mike Levine (bass/keyboards) and Rik Emmett (guitar/vocals) will accept the honour Saturday, March 10th during the Canadian Radio Music Awards at Toronto's Fairmont Royal York Hotel.

2 - Arrangements have been finalized to have Rik Emmett participate along with his former partners in Triumph as the band is inducted into the Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame at a luncheon on March 10, 2007, during CMW, Canadian Music Week.
"This is about honouring good memories of the past, and respecting the spirit of fans and industry friends", Rik says.
There are no plans for a reunion, and the former members will not perform together at the event. A video montage retrospective will cover highlights of Rik's 13 years in the band, from 1975 to 1988.
A good first step I think!

[Don Wishon]

Thanks for the info, Gregg!

Trust me, no reunion...

[GreggFromJoisey]

Why not? "Creative differences"?? as they say....
I have heard of Emmit but what are the other guys doing, post-Triumph?

[Delirious Nomad]

Just read Rik's lyrics to one of his solo songs.
That should answer your question.

"Too Little Too Late".
Here are the lyrics. It says alot about how he feels.
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Heard you been callin'.
Comin' around and tryin' to make nice.
I still recall my history lesson,
when I bought into the dream and I paid out your full askin' price.

Now you say you just wanna be friends,
But why would I want to go makin' the same mistake twice?
No way to go back.
No way to make right all those things that went wrong.

You wrote the book. You made all the rules.
It was YOU that engraved all those lines that got drawn.
Well now how can you ask for a show of good faith
when you know you abused it until it was all dead and gone?

Do you recall how you burned all the bridges?
You stood there so proud in the glow of the fire.
Course not...cuz your truth is convenient,
your memory serves you to twist it and turn it to feed your desire.

Now as for me,
I say only a fool would open the door once again for a thief and a liar.

Meanwhile life keeps a-rollin' on.
It's a constant struggle just dealin' with fate.
There are so many things that taste better than those bitter ashes,
that you want to put back on my plate.

You can just take back all you've attached to that fake olive branch.
Go file it away somewhere under "too little too late".....That's right.

And just in case you're not gettin' this straight,
Don't go preachin' "forgive and forget",
Cuz all your talk is so cheap, your timing always was weak.
On these points there can be no debate.

Your offer is simply too little, too late.........too late.

I concur with Don....no reunion.
:(

[chinarain62]

It's really too bad when you hear things like this that happen between former bandmates. Too much creativity amongst everyone and not enough places or ways to channel it.

[GreggFromJoisey]

What caused the rift?

[DJ Dale]

You can get old Triumph videos through Blockbuster online rental...

I can wait for mine to come in.

They actually have a decent assortment of concert videos...

[JJD]

What caused the rift?

Money, royalties, creative differences.

The only reason Rik even plays Triumph songs at his solo shows is because the fans ask for it. I am really surprised he's going to show up with Gil and Mike at the Hall of Fame ceremony.. You will notice that they won't be playing together. Sadly I have to agree that a reunion tour is highly unlikely.

[JJD]

Thanks for the info, Gregg!

Trust me, no reunion...

Agree Don..

Somewhere on Rik's website he addressed the Triumph saga.. Took a quick look and could not find it but it tells his side of the story..

[Don Wishon]

Agree Don..

Somewhere on Rik's website he addressed the Triumph saga.. Took a quick look and could not find it but it tells his side of the story..

I will have to see if I copied that message somewhere. It was very well stated...

[GreggFromJoisey]

Thanks Don! Please let us know if you find it. Triumph music has helped me through some difficult times in my life! Fight the good fight, Magic Power,
the entire Thunder Seven CD

[Don Wishon]

Working on bringing Rik Emmett to Dallas, possibly next February.

[Lady Strange]

Working on bringing Rik Emmett to Dallas, possibly next February.

This is great news. I absolutely love Triumph, and Rik has had such a bug up his ass about the band for so many years - I'm really glad he's doing it.

No way on the reunion. I'm signed up for Rik's website, and read all of the updates - it's not gonna happen any time soon.

[Delirious Nomad]

Agree Don..

Somewhere on Rik's website he addressed the Triumph saga.. Took a quick look and could not find it but it tells his side of the story..


He had it on his website long ago.
He took it down shortly after he released ALL rights to the name Triumph. (Wished I'd have copied it)

Now there is absolutely NO mention of "Triumph" on his website at all.
When I was a member of his website, anytime someone else posted the word "triumph", it was changed to "-T-".

:sad:

[GreggFromJoisey]

Why did he release all rights to the name Triumph? And to whom?
And what are the other former bandmates up to?

[Lady Strange]

When I was a member of his website, anytime someone else posted the word "triumph", it was changed to "-T-".

:sad:

Come on! Now that's just childish.

[GuitarPLYR]

Come on! Now that's just childish.

I was thinking the same thing. Like it or not, he will forever be associated with TRIUMPH. He doesn't have to go back to them or even play those songs, but he could at least acknowledge the band that put him on the map.

[Delirious Nomad]

Come on! Now that's just childish.

I'm fairly positive it's a legal issue.
I do not believe he has any rights to the name whatsoever. Maybe he took it a bit too far, but basically, it's as if he was never part of the band.
There's a bit more to it than just being childish.

[Delirious Nomad]

Why did he release all rights to the name Triumph? And to whom?
And what are the other former bandmates up to?

He is totally dissolved from Triumph. To my knowledge, he doesn't receive any royalties from anything Triumph.
Mike Levine and Gil Moore own everything.
They put out a Triumph CD without Rik, but it flopped.
I think they're just producing other bands now.
Nothing much going on in the Triumph camp from what I hear.

[GreggFromJoisey]

Thanks! I did not know that. I have bought their music and attended a few concerts but never knew the history of the band. I always thought Emmitt WAS Triumph, I thought he was the creator and name holder of the band???

[Don Wishon]

I'm fairly positive it's a legal issue.
I do not believe he has any rights to the name whatsoever. Maybe he took it a bit too far, but basically, it's as if he was never part of the band.
There's a bit more to it than just being childish.

This is correct.

[GuitarPLYR]

I always thought Emmitt WAS Triumph, I thought he was the creator and name holder of the band???


That is exactly what I thought too. Thanks everyone for clearing things up!

[Don Wishon]

Now, if we can only find Rik's posting from his website years ago...that would clear up everything.

[rushtrader]

From an old chat session:
<RikEmmett> Ha ha....not. The move to a 3 way credit split was my bright idea, to keep the other fellows happy that I was writing the stuff that was becoming popular, and I didn't want ego problems, or business stuff to become huge issues, as they managed the business affairs of the group. Didn't work......the drummer still wanted to write hits that he could be the lead singer of, and the tensions that arose out of creative vs. business stuff just killed my sense of what the band was supposed to be
<RikEmmett> about. So I split, and went through several years of legal crapola, only to never see a penny of the publishing dough from Triumphsongs, ....... I still get my share of writer's royalties, but the songwriting split thing was a large disappointment to me. For eg, my former partners still get 2 thirds of classical guitar instrumental royalties. Duhhh.

RT

[GreggFromJoisey]

Thanks Rushtrader! I just put my fave Triumph song into my signature! :mushy:

[Delirious Nomad]

From an old chat session:
<RikEmmett> Ha ha....not. The move to a 3 way credit split was my bright idea, to keep the other fellows happy that I was writing the stuff that was becoming popular, and I didn't want ego problems, or business stuff to become huge issues, as they managed the business affairs of the group. Didn't work......the drummer still wanted to write hits that he could be the lead singer of, and the tensions that arose out of creative vs. business stuff just killed my sense of what the band was supposed to be
<RikEmmett> about. So I split, and went through several years of legal crapola, only to never see a penny of the publishing dough from Triumphsongs, ....... I still get my share of writer's royalties, but the songwriting split thing was a large disappointment to me. For eg, my former partners still get 2 thirds of classical guitar instrumental royalties. Duhhh.

RT

I'm fairly positive this comment took place before he was completely dissolved from Triumph. Rik made a comment about 2 years ago on his website that he no longer receives royalties.

Thanks for posting that, Rush!:beer:

[Lady Strange]

I can say he was totally cool with autographing my Triumph albums a couple of years ago. So sad when this sort of thing happens to such a fantastic band...

[JJD]

I'm fairly positive this comment took place before he was completely dissolved from Triumph. Rik made a comment about 2 years ago on his website that he no longer receives royalties.

Thanks for posting that, Rush!:beer:

Last I heard, Rik does not get a penny for anything Triumph.. He worked out some type of payoff but I think it was just so he could move on (ie I don't think it made him rich).. It will be interesting to see if the three of them actually show up live for the induction or if Rik's on satellite or accepts via some speech recorded earlier...

[JJD]

An interview with Rik that explains a lot

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/rikemmett.html

[GreggFromJoisey]

Great interview! Thanks!!!

[ronbo11]

It's sad how Triumph *****ed Rik over. I always thought it was cool when a band split songwriting credits like REM, U2, Van Halen and others have done. However, if the split up is less than amicable, I guess this arrangement doesn't always work. He should still be getting at least the 1/3rd they originally worked out.

Another way songwriting credit is sometimes done is like what happened in the Band (based on Levon Helm's autobiography). Robbie Robertson gets almost exclusive credit for almost all songs, but a lot of them could not have been written without the input of Levon Helm (who was from Arkansas and actually saw the minstrel shows, blues musicians and characters that Canadian Robbie wrote so "knowingly" about), Rick Danko, Richard Manuel and Garth Hudson. When they signed to Capitol, their manager set it up so that Robertson would get the songwriting credit but that the band would split royalties (or so the others were told).

This arrangement pretty much ruined the Band's relationship over the long run and made Danko and Manuel in particular far less likely to even try to contribute new songs to the group. After Stage Fright, you could tell that a single songwriter was at work and that the quality of the material was far less than the songs on the first 2 classic and the 3rd great albums. Helm said what sickened him the most was the work that Hudson put into arrangements and extra polish that he never got a single bit of credit for since all the songwriting credit ever said was J.R. Robertson.

Of course, back in the 50's and early 60's a lot of songs would be credited to the real songwriter and then the producer or manager of the artist would stick their name on there too to get some of that lucre. A lot of blues artists got scammed so badly like this. It's the music business and a lot of times it's a dirty business.

[JJD]

Here's something from Rik's Newletter regarding the recent announcement

NETWORK NEWS
On November 20th, the following announcement was made:

Arrangements have been finalized to have Rik participate along with his former partners in Triumph as the band is inducted into the Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame at a luncheon on March 10, 2007, during CMW, Canadian Music Week.
“This is about honouring good memories of the past, and respecting the spirit of fans and industry friends,” Rik says.

There are no plans for a reunion, and the former members will not perform together at the event. A video montage retrospective will cover highlights of Rik’s 13 years in the band, from 1975 to 1988.

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Naturally, this announcement generated a lot of questions from Network members within the Discussion Forum. Here are Rik's replies:

QUESTION: Will this induction be open to the public?

Rik's reply: I don't know. I think people buy tickets to different events during CMW: I think you can buy different levels of passes that qualify you for different events during CMW. I think the luncheon is an industry kind of event, but I don't know if they sell some luncheon passes to the public.

QUESTION: Will you be attending the event?

Rik's reply: Yes. That's the whole idea. The invitation was predicated on me being a part of it, along with my former partners.

QUESTION: Can you share any of the events leading up to this recognition and how it was bestowed upon you and your former band members?

Rik's reply: I don't know for sure what led to the invitation. The guy who owns & runs the Canadian Music Week franchise, Neill Dixon, is a guy who used to manage T. for a while in its development days [early Canadian success and the inking of the RCA deal]. And he used to manage me for a while back when I was in Act III, before I even joined T. So I think it's fair to say that he's a supporter, and it was his idea. He also acted as the diplomat that brokered the 'peace' talks [and he also has his own interests at heart, obviously. It gives him a legit kind of p.r. headliner for his event, I think it's fair to say.]

The honour hasn't been "bestowed" yet. That officially happens on March 10.

QUESTION: Does this mean you can associate your name with the name "Triumph" again?

Rik's reply: As part of the reconciliation, I am now legally clear to associate myself with the name. I now have the freedom to refer to myself as a former member of Triumph, and as "formerly of Triumph", in association with my own promotional activities. It doesn't necessarily mean that I want to go hog-wild about it, but at least a dark cloud has been lifted.

QUESTION: Have you or will you be talking to your former partners before the event?

Rik's reply: I went to a meeting earlier today (November 20th), yes. There was paperwork that got signed and exchanged last week, including official apologies. But that was the first face to face, which cleared the way for me to go public with you people here first, then with the general public in the "What's New" feature on the homepage.

I'm not sure that another meeting is even necessary, but I guess it could happen. We are on speaking terms, and we shook hands at the beginning and the end of today's meeting.

QUESTION: I know you said it will not lead to a reunion, but will you finally be able to use the T name and benefit from all that is attached to the name?

Rik's reply: As I said above - yes. I have entered into an agreement whereby I am making myself available to my former partners, to help them promote their Triumph brand and products, for a 24 month window of potential industry awards. I'm not sure what you mean by "benefit from all that is attached to the name": I am deriving benefit, yes, but I think my answer "benefit from all that is attached" would have to be no. I am not in a position where I benefit from everything. I did not seek to be reinstated as a partner, and that's not what's happened.

I've agreed to go to an award luncheon. If some other awards and recognition for the past history of the band arise in the next two years, I'm obligated. Other than that, the only other result is that I am free to associate myself for the rest of my life as a guy who was formerly in T. Officially, there are no plans for any reunion gigs, and I have no interest in that.